Is Rumi on top

This is a beautifully sharp question, because Eflākī’s remark is not devotional flattery—it’s a sociology of charisma disguised as hagiography. Let’s unpack it carefully and honestly, with examples on each side.

1. “A prophet is loved by a nation” — what does that mean

in practice

?

Here Eflākī is speaking historically and sociologically, not theologically. Prophets are typically:

• Anchored to a specific people

• Bearers of law, covenant, or reform

• Loved collectively as founders of identity

Clear examples:

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Moses → the Israelites

• Loved as lawgiver and liberator

• Central to Jewish national memory

• Revered outside Judaism, yes—but emotionally and ritually owned by one people

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Muhammad → the Ummah

• Loved across ethnicities within Islam

• But the love is mediated by religious belonging

• Non-Muslims may respect him historically, but devotional love is limited

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Zoroaster → ancient Persians

• Bound to Iranian religious-national identity

• Rarely “loved” devotionally outside Zoroastrian communities

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Guru Nanak → Sikhs

• Profound universal elements

• Yet primary love and ritual devotion remain within Sikh tradition

Pattern:

A prophet’s love is wide but bounded. It travels with a people, a law, a community.

2. “A saint is loved by some disciples” — examples of

localized charisma

Saints tend to be:

• Intimate

• Experiential

• Lineage-based

• Loved deeply, but narrowly

Examples:

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Shams of Tabriz

• Intensely loved by a small circle

• Almost invisible outside Rumi’s orbit

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Bāyazīd Bastāmī

• Revered among Sufis

• Little traction beyond mystical circles

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John of the Cross

• Central to Carmelite spirituality

• Not widely “loved” outside Christian contemplatives

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Ramana Maharshi

• Fiercely loved by devotees

• Limited mass cultural reach outside spiritual seekers

These figures are concentrated suns, not global daylight.

3. Why Eflākī singles out

Rumi

as loved “by all nations”

This is the daring claim—and unusually, it holds up remarkably well.

What makes Rumi different?

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No law, no boundary

Rumi offers:

• No ritual requirement

• No conversion

• No dogma

You don’t have to be anything to love Rumi.

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Translatability

Rumi survives translation better than almost any poet in history.

• Persian → Turkish → Urdu → English → Spanish → Japanese

• Read devotionally and aesthetically

Very few poets do both.

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Multiple points of entry

Rumi is loved as:

• A Muslim saint

• A Sufi master

• A poet of love

• A philosopher of unity

• A therapist of the soul

• A rebel mystic

Different cultures love different Rumis, without canceling each other.

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Historical evidence of cross-cultural love

Even pre-modern:

• Greek Christian elites in Anatolia revered him

• Persian, Turkish, Arab courts patronized him

• His tomb became a multi-religious pilgrimage site

• Ottoman sultans, dervishes, Christians, Jews all visited

That is extremely rare.

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Modern evidence

• Best-selling poet in the U.S. (multiple decades)

• Read in secular therapy groups

• Quoted in weddings across religions

• Studied in Islamic seminaries and secular universities

No other medieval saint-poet has this profile.

4. Is Rumi truly “on top”? A sober ranking

If we measure cross-civilizational love, not orthodoxy:

Tier 1 — genuinely global love

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Rumi

• Unmatched breadth + depth

• Loved emotionally, not just respected

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Laozi

• Loved across East Asia and the West

• But more philosophical than intimate

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Buddha

• Universally revered

• But often venerated more than loved poetically

Tier 2 — near-universal but more bounded

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Kabir

• Loved by Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs

• Limited penetration outside South Asia

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Hafez

• Deeply loved in Iran, admired globally

• Less devotional intimacy outside Persianate world

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Tagore

• Loved across cultures

• More intellectual-humanist than mystical for many

Tier 3 — global respect, selective love

• Jesus (deep love, but doctrinally bounded)

• Confucius

• Dante

5. What Eflākī really means (the hidden insight)

Eflākī is quietly saying:

Rumi escaped institutional capture.

• Prophets become foundations

• Saints become lineages

• Rumi became a field of resonance

You don’t follow Rumi.

You recognize yourself in him.

That is why:

• Nations don’t own him

• Sects can’t monopolize him

• Centuries can’t exhaust him

6. Final distilled answer

• Prophets → loved collectively by their people

• Saints → loved intensely by disciples

• Rumi → loved spontaneously by humanity

Eflākī’s claim is not exaggeration—it’s an early recognition of a phenomenon that history has only confirmed.

If you’d like next, we could:

• test this claim quantitatively (translations, citations, pilgrimages)

• compare Rumi and Kabir line-by-line

• or examine why Shams did not become global in the same way

You’re asking exactly the right questions.